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23rd August 2004, 11:43 AM |
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AFCA 1900
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If you're a real Ajax supporter (and you are) I can guarantee you it will start to itch today or tomorrow or Wednesday at the very latest... It's almost time for the Champions League draw, scheduled for Thursday 26 August, at 16:00 CET at the Grimaldi Forum in Monaco! I can't wait. Following the draw live on TV, or on the internet (Ajax.nl and UEFA.com have it real-time) is almost like watching an exciting game of football.
Discuss the draw (before and after the event) in this thread. After that this thread will serve as the place to discuss Ajax's actual Champions League games of this season!
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23rd August 2004, 12:42 PM |
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Bertrand
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Originally Posted by AFCA 1900
If you're a real Ajax supporter (and you are) I can guarantee you it will start to itch today or tomorrow or Wednesday at the very latest... It's almost time for the Champions League draw, scheduled for Thursday 26 August, around mid-day in Nyon, Switzerland! I can't wait. Following the draw live on TV, or on the internet (Ajax.nl and UEFA.com have it real-time) is almost like watching an exciting game of football.
Discuss the draw (before and after the event) in this thread. After that this thread will serve as the place to discuss Ajax's actual Champions League games of this season!
Gimme a French team please !!!
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23rd August 2004, 12:51 PM |
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AFCAstabooty
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maybe someone could provide us with the clubs most likely to be in the CL (3rd round qualifying isnt over is it?) and their seeds so we can speculate on the groups?
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23rd August 2004, 12:57 PM |
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jakobg
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Well, as you all know Djurgården will draw Juventus on Wednesday (final score 1-1) and make it to the Champions League. And then of course be drawn into the same group as Ajax.
I'd give my left nut for this scenario!
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23rd August 2004, 01:01 PM |
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ghost dog
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Originally Posted by AFCAstabooty
maybe someone could provide us with the clubs most likely to be in the CL (3rd round qualifying isnt over is it?) and their seeds so we can speculate on the groups?
here an interesting link : http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert...seedcl2004.html
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23rd August 2004, 01:10 PM |
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Vak425
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AFCAstabooty
maybe someone could provide us with the clubs most likely to be in the CL (3rd round qualifying isnt over is it?) and their seeds so we can speculate on the groups?
Could Be:-
Pot 1:-
Real Madrid
Valencia
Barcelona
Man Ure
Bayern Munich
Deportivo
Arsenal
Porto
Pot 2:-
AC Milan
Liverpool
Juventus
Inter Milan
AS Roma
Lyon
Chelsea
Borussia Dortmund
Pot 3:-
Panathinaikos
PSV
Leverkusen
Sparta Prague
Celtic
Monaco
Ajax
PSG
Pot 4:-
Fenerbache
Olympiacos
Benifica
Dynamo Kiev
PAOK
Rosenborg
Shakhtar
Glasgow Rangers
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23rd August 2004, 01:58 PM |
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AFCA 1900
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Funny thing is: the only reason why we're not yet certain to be in pot 3 is the fact that we might be pushed all the way up into pot 2 if all the lowest ranked advance from the 3rd qualifing round... Which only an option in theory, really. 99% chance we'll be in pot 3. We can no longer drop to pot 4. That's a good thing.
I want Barcelona (EasyJet destination, cool stadium, large away section), Liverpool (cheap flying, cool stadium, large away section and we'll destroy them) and Werder Bremen (short ride, Krauts, always a good laugh).
The only problem is that Anfield Road has a remarkably small away section (under 2,000 and only limited extra allocation possible, according to http://www.footballgroundguide.co.uk/). So maybe I'll hope for Chelsea instead (away section up to 5,200 and we'll most definitely bring that many!).
Yeah, that's it. Barca, Liverpool and Bremen. 
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23rd August 2004, 04:02 PM |
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Fridge
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How is it exactly that Ajax, who earned direct entry into the group stages can possibly be ranked below teams who have had to play qualifying matches? It doesn't make any sense.
It has to be a seriously flawed ranking system they have in place now if Leeds are ranked the 16th best team in europe.
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23rd August 2004, 04:27 PM |
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Bertrand
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Originally Posted by Fridge
How is it exactly that Ajax, who earned direct entry into the group stages can possibly be ranked below teams who have had to play qualifying matches? It doesn't make any sense.
It has to be a seriously flawed ranking system they have in place now if Leeds are ranked the 16th best team in europe.
Didn't you mean Liverpool instead ? Because Leeds are in First Division right now...
I'm pretty sure they DIDN'T make it to Champs League 
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23rd August 2004, 04:27 PM |
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Vak425
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fridge
How is it exactly that Ajax, who earned direct entry into the group stages can possibly be ranked below teams who have had to play qualifying matches? It doesn't make any sense.
It has to be a seriously flawed ranking system they have in place now if Leeds are ranked the 16th best team in europe.
OK Fridge here we go with a clear as mud explanation:-
UEFA NATIONAL ASSOCIATION COEFFICIENT RANKING:
The allocation of places per association for both the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Cup will be made in accordance with a table of performance covering five UEFA club competition seasons (results obtained in the UEFA Intertoto Cup do not count).This table (UEFA association coefficient rankings) is compiled annually, with the oldest season dropped each time for the purpose of the calculation.
On march 2004 the UEFA Executive Committee changed the calculation of the coefficients. The new system begin in 2004/2005 season. See here the new rules:
The table is compiled as follows:
Until 2003/2004 season (Old coefficient system)
- a win to be worth 2 points (1 point for qualifying-round matches)
- a draw 1 point (1/2 point for qualifying-round matches)
- a defeat 0 points
Clubs which reach the quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of any of the UEFA club competition are awarded an extra point for each such round. In addition, one point is awarded for participation in the Champions League.
From 2004/2005 season (New coefficient system)
- a win to be worth 2 points (1 point for qualifying-round matches)
- a draw 1 point (1/2 point for qualifying-round matches)
- a defeat 0 points
clubs which reach the first knock-out round, quarter-finals, semi-
finals or final of the UEFA Champions League or the quarter-finals,
semi-finals or final of the UEFA Cup are awarded an extra point for
each such round.
In addition, three points are awarded for participation in the UEFA
Champions League.
Results obtained in the UEFA Intertoto Cup do not count for the coefficient rankings.
The points obtained each season by the clubs representing a national association are added, then divided by the combined number of clubs from the said association having taken part in the UEFA competitions, to produce the coefficient value of the national association concerned.
Coefficients are calculated to the thousandth, and not rounded up.
In the case of equal coefficients, the UEFA administration will take a final decision, taking into consideration the individual coefficient of the most recent season.
Points are awarde only for matches which have actually been played, in accordance with the results ratified by UEFA. Kicks from the penalty mark to determine which club qualifies, or the winners, do not affect the actual result of the match.
Member associations are informed of the general classification after each UEFA club competition season, and this classification determines the number of participants from each association for the following season of CL and UC
UEFA CLUB COEFFICIENT RANKING:
This ranking is drawn up on the basis of a combination of 33% of the value of the respective national association‘s coefficient for the period of last five seasons and the club’s individual points in the UEFA competitions in the same period. Each club retains the cumulative number of points obtained during this period (2 points for a win, 1 for a draw, 0 for a defeat plus bonus points in accordance with both (old and new) systems used for the country ranking). Qualifying round matches will not be taken into account as far as individual club performance are concerned.
So there we have it. 
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23rd August 2004, 06:01 PM |
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Now I'm thoroughly confused . KIDDING!!! Thanks Bill for doing yeoman work and laying out the nuts and bolts.The bier is in the mail.Just give me Barcelona, Lyon, and Bremen. Barca...always wanted to go and I can go to Figueres to dilly dally over Dali if I arrive a day or two early , Lyon...Elber has broken leg, and Bremen....read Menno's comment.
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23rd August 2004, 08:01 PM |
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AFCAstabooty
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Originally Posted by Vak425
Could Be:-
Pot 1:-
Real Madrid
Valencia
Barcelona
Man Ure
Bayern Munich
Deportivo
Arsenal
Porto
Pot 2:-
AC Milan
Liverpool
Juventus
Inter Milan
AS Roma
Lyon
Chelsea
Borussia Dortmund
Pot 3:-
Panathinaikos
PSV
Leverkusen
Sparta Prague
Celtic
Monaco
Ajax
PSG
Pot 4:-
Fenerbache
Olympiacos
Benifica
Dynamo Kiev
PAOK
Rosenborg
Shakhtar
Glasgow Rangers
going by vak's post of the possible pots:
strongest possible group
Barcelona
AC Milan
Ajax
Fenerbache/Rangers
weakest possible group
cant decide pot 1 --- Arsenal/Munich/Porto
cant decide pot 2 --- Dortmund/Lyon/Inter
Sparta Prague
PAOK
assuming ajax would still qualify out of the group
group i want for ajax
Barcelona (could possibly be an awesome display of beautiful football)
AC Milan (Revenge)
Ajax (duh)
Fenerbache (P-Air and Alex)
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23rd August 2004, 08:11 PM |
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easy group for ajax:
deportivo 
lyon 
ajax 
paok 
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23rd August 2004, 08:12 PM |
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AFCA 1900
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AC Milan (Revenge)
AAAAAARRRRGGHHH!!!!
No! No! No!
If there's one club in the world I do not want to play again in (at least) the next ten years or so it is definitely AC Milan. Please, no! First of all: I've already been to San Siro. Secondly, Milan really is a shit town. Nothing going on. Completely dead and no football atmosphere. And last but not least: I couldn't stand another undeserved defeat, 1-0 in the dying minutes, goal by Inzaghi.
I just hate 'em. I prefer any Spanish, English or German side over Milan. Seriously. If I could pick one team I do not want to meet, it would be Milan.
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23rd August 2004, 08:40 PM |
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AndyH
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Still, I would jump a hole in the air (as the Dutch say!) if Ajax would beat Milan, give them the thumping those cheating, diving sissies deserve, but they will always, in reality, find a way to win 1-0 when not doing anything in the match.
I have to say, AFCAstabooty, that Porto and Arsenal are among the strongest teams in Europe at the moment, certainly Arsenal. They are unbeaten in the Premiership for 42 games, have a tough, tenacious defence, a star-studded attack, a talented midfield, an ingenious coach, and great team spirit. They are probably the perfect team at the moment, I struggle to find weak points in them (except pehaps at right-back, but Trabelsi could be on his way there soon). Porto have won two Euro prizes in two years.
I'd say the weakest team in pot 1 is Man Ure. They are fast becoming a very ordinary side, with a shambolic defence, some awful transfer failures (Sir Alex seems to have lost his touch in the last few years with Bosnich, Taibi, Blanc, Forlan, Veron), Ryan Giggs whose career is sputtering to an end, and the ageing Keane, who now struggles to keep up with play. I get the feeling Liverpool will overtake them this year, though they may stay just ahead of Newcastle and Aston Villa (for now).
So I'd like ManUre in the first round please. Which means I can see them on the tele live aswell (or, hell, even go to the match!).
From pot two, I'd like to have Lyon, an attacking team, but still young and relatively unproven in Europe.
And from pot 4 I'd like PAOK (how come the Greeks get 3 teams and Holland only 2??), all the pot 4 teams look like tough fixtures away, PAOK has the least actual quality in their team out of these.
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