Ok.So after some time to reflect on last nights debacle,its about time we got rid of Mr.Koeman.I have listed below my reasons for sacking him and moving in a new coach.I appreciate that he has had some very good times in Amsterdam and for those I thank him,but I really believe he has now just lost the plot.

1-We currently have some excellent young players who are capable of much better performances than we are currently seeing.VdV who was hailed as another bright young thing from the Ajax academy who has not now had a decent game for months.Making him captain was a big mistake.Sneijder who deserves a decent run in the number 10 position instead of being played in a different positon every week.Pienaar who played the game of his life against Arsenal a couple of years ago and has been in steady decline ever since.Daniel de Ridder,who looks to be a great prospect every time Iv seen him,but rarely gets selected and Koeman has said can leave??????.......er why?.Heitinga,another great player who is going down hill fast,lets do something before its to late.Koeman has all these players at his disposal and is not able to train,lead,encourage or motivate them into beating Tel-Aviv.

2-Much has been said and written about the sale of Zlatan,Koeman should NEVER have allowed this to happen.

3-Nigel de Jong is a reasonable player but he is not a centre half,any twat can see this surely.

4-Why is Koeman so keen on playing Dwarfs in the team?Rosales,Sikora,Soetaers,de Mul,Mitea,Galasek and Doc makes seven.All we need now is Snow White,and the way we are playing at the moment,she would get into the starting line up.

5-Why oh why does he keep playing people out of position?He plays Grygera at left back,de Jong at centre half,Sonk as a right winger?????....SONCK AS A F***ING WINGER.......I cant even write it without getting annoyed,how many wingers do we have in the squad and he puts Sonck there.I must admit you would never guess that Sonck is a striker but come on.Sneijder on the left,or anywhere that theres a gap.Im just waiting to see Lobont start a game at full back.

6-Yannis Anastasiou........you bought him.

7-I hate to say this but it seriously time to consider not playing 4-3-3 any longer.We are being over run in midfield and the dwarfs dont get back to help out enough.Hes the coach he should be considering this option.

8-Many years ago he scored the winning goal against England when he should have already been sent off for a professional foul.

After some of his earlier success I really believed he would become the next coach of Barcelona and would be one of the best managers in Europe,maybe he believed this to and took his foot off the gas.Whatever,times up Mr.Koeman....GO NOW.

He doesn't post as frequently as some of the regulars, but whenever he posts something it's truly classic stuff... I'll never forget his Man Utd rant and this one is pretty damn brilliant, too.

Officially I would now have to explain that we already have a thread for discussions about Ronald Koeman (the Coaches, Managers, Directors, Staff thread), close this one down and link it to the appropriate thread. But: many Ajax fans have something to say about Mr Koeman at the moment, so let's make this thread the official Ronald Koeman thread!

I changed the title (from Koeman Out!!! into Ronald Koeman) - and it's now ready for your contributions!

I have had time to think about last night and have come to the conclusion that Koeman should go NOW. He has lost the plot and we are now seeing good young players going backwards. Heitinga was being sounded out by Italians in the summer but at this moment he looks the weaklink in our defence. His confidence has gone,as you do not become a bad player overnight.

Pienaar is another who is not the player he was.

Koeman keeps swapping the players round ,playing some out of position as if he hasn't a clue what to do.De Jong is not a centre back and Sonck is no winger.

2 years ago we had a fantastic young team , but Chivu has not been replaced. He is one of the best defenders in Europe . We need an experienced defender to partner Heitinga.

At the moment Ajax are like a sinking ship with a captain who has no clue how to stop us sinking .

A new captain is needed as we do have an awful lot of talent . Someone new needs to bring this talent out and get us winning again.

I was a fan of Koeman for quite a long while and I actually thought he could be the man to take Ajax to the top of Europe (mostly after the first successful run in the CL). But the way team is playing right now something has to change.

We need some new ideas and someone who can start over from scratch with the players. Give everybody a chance to show the new coach that they can do the job.

Let's face it; It's time for you to go now, Ronald Koeman.

But, I don't want to blame Koeman completely for this season's failure. It's not easy to play without a striker and we all know he did not want to sell Zlatan. I really believe that this team would do much better with Zlatan still in the team. It ain't easy playing and it ain't good for the confidence when everybody know that there's such an important part missing.

So Koemans pre match team talk with the players goes-

RK-"So,today we are going to play Sonck on the right wing"

De Ridder thinks to himself (What the F**k?)

RK-"...and Yannis up front"

DdR-still thinking(I dont be-f***ing leave it)

RK-"Nigel.....your in at centre half"

NdJ-"Yeah but boss,thats not really my position"

RK-Looking in the mirror"Isnt my shirt with the white collars really schmart"

NdJ-"....er Boss,maybe if I could play in midfield"

RK-"Schtop it Nigel,dis is total football.Ok Maxwell I want you to play as the right winger"

MAX-"But boss Im left footed"

RK-"You are?......Excellent.... its the last thing the opposition will be expecting.Thats what makes me such a great coach,I can confuse the opposition"

VdV-"But boss,we are confused"

Rk-"Right....now we need somebody to get stuck in in the midfield......hmmmm..somebody big strong and fierce........De Mul,your the man for this job I think"

TdM-(In a high pitched girly voice coz his balls havnt dropped yet).....What...me (getting worried).....wont it be rough in midfield"

RK-"No dis will be fine,dis is what total football ish all about.Ok Raffie,you can have a free role to wander about near the photographers so they can get some nice pictures of you for the fashion magazines"

VdV-"Thanks boss........has anybody seen my hairdryer"

Rk-(To Ruud Krol)"Ok so what positions do we still have to fill?"

RKr"Left back"

Rk-"Ok Sneijder...you can play there today.Right now Rosales.....I want you to play in the hole behind the front man.

ROS.(Who only speaks Argentinian)"........er da coachio est fukina twato....."

Rk-"Ruud.....whats the Argentinian for total football?"

DdR-"What about me boss?"

Rk-"You will get your chance Daniel.......when we are 3-0 down with five minutes to go I will be sending you on dont worry.Dis total football.....isnt it great!!!"

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about Koeman at the moment (I was a strong supporter of him, now I'm not so sure)... but that last locker room conversation message is one of the funniest things I've read on here in a long while.

And there's probably even a bit of accuracy to it.

Haha!!! Brilliant stuff Pizza! I want more!

Wonderful stuff Pizza 5 but whoever is in charge will probably not be able to do b*gger all with the players that are currently there.
A lot of these guys just cannot cut it at the highest level. As I have said before, which of this current crop would you have put in the starting eleven of the mid-nineties. Exactly none, so why do we continue to expect them to play to the same standard.

We, including me, all harp back to the CL a few seasons back as that we were wonderful. However, the away games at Valencia and Lyon were very similar to the games this season apart from the fact that Valencia and Lyon contrived to miss virtually everytime whereas this season the goals are flying in.
It was a season to build on, but painfully we have gone backwards. Who is to blame I am not too sure, but I agree that it is time for Mr Koeman to go before it gets much worse and more to the point we make another load of bad signings in January 2005.

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Originally Posted by Vak425
Wonderful stuff Pizza 5 but whoever is in charge will probably not be able to do b*gger all with the players that are currently there.
A lot of these guys just cannot cut it at the highest level. As I have said before, which of this current crop would you have put in the starting eleven of the mid-nineties. Exactly none, so why do we continue to expect them to play to the same standard.

We, including me, all harp back to the CL a few seasons back as that we were wonderful. However, the away games at Valencia and Lyon were very similar to the games this season apart from the fact that Valencia and Lyon contrived to miss virtually everytime whereas this season the goals are flying in.
It was a season to build on, but painfully we have gone backwards. Who is to blame I am not too sure, but I agree that it is time for Mr Koeman to go before it gets much worse and more to the point we make another load of bad signings in January 2005.

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Maxwell and Trabelsi for instance. I mean Reiziger and Bogarde weren't THAT good....

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The fact that this team is not as good as the 1995 team doesn't mean that they can embarrass themselves against anyone. Come on.

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... The fact that this team is not as good as the 1995 team doesn't mean that they can embarrass themselves against anyone. Come on.

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At the time the left fullback was actually Frank de Boer (centre of defense was Rijkaard/Blind). I don't think I would have played Maxwell instead of him at the time.

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A lot of these guys just cannot cut it at the highest level. As I have said before, which of this current crop would you have put in the starting eleven of the mid-nineties. Exactly none, so why do we continue to expect them to play to the same standard.

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Koeman: 'The Koeman-effect hasn't quite petered out yet'

Amsterdam, 5 november 2004

Koeman's message at the weekly press conference was clear. ,,I'll carry on the fight, but there are a few things that are going to change," referring to a number of players who will be dropped for the game at Willem II.

Koeman will choose players who will hopefully perform best under the current circumstances. He did not want to reveal specific changes yet, but what is clear is that it will be a completely different line-up.

,,When we arrived back in Amsterdam, we didn't train; the coaching staff began to analyse the Maccabi game straight away. Not only the defense was poor, but also other areas of the team. In the last few matches, we've kept underperforming players in the team in the hope they would gain some confidence, but this has not achieved the result I expected."

Success against Willem II is crucial.,,Wednesday was the straw that broke the camel's back. I just couldn't understand why they didn't play the whole game like they did the last 15 minutes. Especially because they knew second place was up for grabs. They may not have underperformed on purpose, but Sunday things will change."

Previously, changes in the line-up had resulted in strong reactions from the players, which were plastered all over the papers. Koeman will not accept this any longer. ,,I will talk to players to whom I owe an explanation for dropping them, but to be honest there's been enough talking already. If they want an explanation, they should look at what's happening on the pitch. As a player, I would sometimes also get dropped by Cruijff; but he would never have to give me an explanation, even though we were neighbours." He continued, with a smile: ,,I would see on the blackboard before the match that the number 4 would be playing right half; well, from that I knew I wouldn't be playing."

The relationship with the players needs a different approch, Koeman agrees. ,,I've had to learn this recently and have done a lot of discussing and explaining. The relationship between me and the players has improved through this."

Something else he's had to get used to have been the poor results. He describes this as obviously being the worst period under his helm since his arrival. ,,Now I'm seeing the flipside of the coin. I'd rather be a player than a coach at the moment, I have to admit. But I won't just accept my fate and will carry on fighting. Only when I get the feeling I can't change the situation will I quit. Maybe we will revise the situation during the winter break. But I don't think the Koeman-effect has petered out quite yet."

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The important game for Koeman is on 14 Nov Home to F-Word

On current form ,and i'm not just referring to Tel-Aviv, we are going to struggle to draw.

If ,GOD FORBID, we lose that game I do not think that Koeman will get out of the stadium alive !!!

Seriously if we lose that game then the suits will have to sack him.

My big worry about him still being in the job come January is what sort of crap players will he buy.Sorry but his record of buys to date are poor and even Rosares does not look that great .Just another average winger .

Sunday's team will be interesting against Willem . Will the likes of Vermuelen, Maduro and Lindgren get a chance?